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Glad that's over.
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The thing that upsets me about Bronies is how they have ended up trying to claim MLP for their own.

This is a show which focuses on adventure and friendship and making your own way with your own skills, it's funny and smart and a good show. But. This is something that is severely lacking in shows for girls! Can you imagine what it would be liek to grow up and have the people most like you in cartoons (or just on kids' TV) representing "heart" or "love", or being a mother or a love interest? Basically, only ever acting in the interests other people and never being real, fleshed-out characters themselves? "If you're a girl, you have to put everyone else's wants ahead of your own because you're just not as important as the boys!"

So, along comes MLP, a show focused on girls that is about them being relatable and having real character, flaws and all. And what happens?

Adult male fans try to co-opt it.

They demand things of the creators - like, demanding Ditzy Doo have screen time and be renamed "Derpy", and be someone who gets things wrong, but aww, how sweet, she tried her best right? But it's ok because her fans love her!

And back we go to a woman's character being that she acts in the interest of others. A 1D girl who gets things wrong so that male fans can feel protective. And back we go to offensive stereotyping of a character that disabled children had empathised with, minute though her role had been. Let's call her Derpy, a pejorative for weird-looking people that these kids have to deal with being called. Yes, that did offend people and make children sad. No, they weren't overreacting. And I'm glad the studio had the sense to recut that episode.

Let's hope they learned the lesson of catering to bronies over the the fans.

And that's what upsets me about bronies. It doesn't matter how you feel about that but if you still associate as a brony and treat it like a caring community after that stunt? If you think Ditzy should be Derpy? You are not being a kind and caring person and you are not representing the core message of the show. Because in the end, this show is not for you, and it should stay that way.

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Jun 8 12 2:44 AM

80% approve of bonzai's post forever 80%

also not sure that it's so that male fans can feel protective and more so they can go "ha ha ha she's called derpy hooves reddit jokes are funny all the time right ha ha ha"

but yeah the brony community from what i've seen is pretty terrible but then again it's basically the evolved fusion dance form of reddit and 4chan communities so nothing good was ever going to come of that.

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you guys i'm keyboard spasming on the bottom row of the keyboard do you even know what this means

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Jun 8 12 6:25 AM

Your statement is very true Bonzai, but what I will say is that the people who request for things like that may just be a small minority of Bronies. Usually it is usually the bad minority of a group that give people the impression that that is how the whole group is. Take a group. If an extremist group came out of a group. People would get a stereotypical view that that group was like that. I'm just saying that the Bronies who suggested that could be but a small minority of the said group. But still I don't get all the fuss about Bronies. They are just one of the many other similar groups. I don't see why they are so special. They MLP creators decide on what to do and what not to do and don't have to be pushed over by Bronies. This thread may escalate into a flame war, so let's all agree we have our own opinions on Bronies and close this thread.

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BonzaiRob wrote:
The thing that upsets me about Bronies is how they have ended up trying to claim MLP for their own.

This is a show which focuses on adventure and friendship and making your own way with your own skills, it's funny and smart and a good show. But. This is something that is severely lacking in shows for girls! Can you imagine what it would be liek to grow up and have the people most like you in cartoons (or just on kids' TV) representing "heart" or "love", or being a mother or a love interest? Basically, only ever acting in the interests other people and never being real, fleshed-out characters themselves? "If you're a girl, you have to put everyone else's wants ahead of your own because you're just not as important as the boys!"

So, along comes MLP, a show focused on girls that is about them being relatable and having real character, flaws and all. And what happens?

Adult male fans try to co-opt it.

They demand things of the creators - like, demanding Ditzy Doo have screen time and be renamed "Derpy", and be someone who gets things wrong, but aww, how sweet, she tried her best right? But it's ok because her fans love her!

And back we go to a woman's character being that she acts in the interest of others. A 1D girl who gets things wrong so that male fans can feel protective. And back we go to offensive stereotyping of a character that disabled children had empathised with, minute though her role had been. Let's call her Derpy, a pejorative for weird-looking people that these kids have to deal with being called. Yes, that did offend people and make children sad. No, they weren't overreacting. And I'm glad the studio had the sense to recut that episode.

Let's hope they learned the lesson of catering to bronies over the the fans.

And that's what upsets me about bronies. It doesn't matter how you feel about that but if you still associate as a brony and treat it like a caring community after that stunt? If you think Ditzy should be Derpy? You are not being a kind and caring person and you are not representing the core message of the show. Because in the end, this show is not for you, and it should stay that way.

Sighs....Bonzai, I totally see where you're coming from. But I don't agree with you. I NEVER loved Derpy because I wanted to demean retarded people. I LITERALLY NEVER even though of it until the controversy came up. I just considered her a clumsy character. I LOVE DERPY. Not because of a joke. I find her eagerness to never give up endearing. Even if we go with the "She must be retarded" route, I think she's an example of never letting your shortcomings stop you. I'v seen SO many quotes from people with disabilities or eye problems who supported Save Derpy because they found her endearing as well. The Save Derpy movement (including artwork and videos) convinced me the fandom doesn't want to keep her because they want to make fun of a group of people. These people love the character. She isn't a joke. She's one of the biggest parts of the fandom. People create stories, videos, artwork, and songs about her because they LOVE her. They've said they love Derpy because she proves you don't have to be perfect. They're offended by getting rid of her because they feel that would be saying that being imperfect is offensive. Check this folder I made in deviantART: http://gelatart.deviantart.com/favourites/48633087 . Check this Save Derpy video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk . If this doesn't prove these characters love Derpy and don't mean to put her down, but want to support her to the end, then I don't know what will.

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@Bonzai: I kind of agree with what you said about forcing our stuff on a girl's show, but I don't think it's so severe. In fact, I applaud Hasbro and the Hub for catering to both audiences so extremely well. They do most of their stuff for little girls, and only give us occasional nods.

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ZeroChill: I know what you mean, but from the outside, the bad minority looks like a majority. Especially on the internet, where children are going to be searching for pictures of their favourite characters, and instead coming upon adult art and blogs. It's not cool.

Gelatop: Let's go over this statement:

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]I NEVER loved Derpy because I wanted to demean retarded people. I LITERALLY NEVER even though of it until the controversy came up. I just considered her a clumsy character. I LOVE DERPY.

1: The phrase "retarded people" is offensive. The actual mental condition of retardation is rare, and the word gets applied to all sorts of people because they look weird. The only thing wrong with Ditzy is wall/lazy eye. That doesn't make her stupid, or mentally disabled. It's a small physical defect and people automatically assume it's a mental one. Can you see how that would be offensive?
2: The word "derp", is equivalent. It has its lighthearted meaning, but at its core, it is used to demean people who look weird, and the lazy assumption is that people who look like that are stupid. The lighthearted meaning to it is even MORE poisonous here, because people with no malice will use it, but it still hurts someone who has had it used as the pejorative. Compare: Calling things "gay" when you mean they're bad.
3: That you insist on calling her Derpy when the name has been retracted by the show's creators shows that your loyalties lie with bronies, not with the show's creators. That you've never thought of it being offensive before the controversy isn't good either, all it shows is that you've been inconsiderate. Also, that you're still calling her Derpy AFTER being aware of the controversy shows you didn't care all that much.

Gelatop wrote:
The Save Derpy movement (including artwork and videos) convinced me the fandom doesn't want to keep her because they want to make fun of a group of people. These people love the character. She isn't a joke. [...] They're offended by getting rid of her because they feel that would be saying that being imperfect is offensive.

1: The show creators never wanted to get rid of her, just change the name back to Ditzy and change how Rainbow Dash shouted at her. "Ugh, you never get anything right." What a fantastic message to send to disabled children!
2: It's not their decision to make and they have no right to be offended. You know who DOES have a right to be offended? All the people who complained after the episode because of how badly they got it wrong.

Gelatop wrote:
]If this doesn't prove these characters love Derpy and don't mean to put her down, but want to support her to the end, then I don't know what will.

BonzaiRob wrote:
...demanding Ditzy Doo have screen time and be renamed "Derpy", and be someone who gets things wrong, but aww, how sweet, she tried her best right? But it's ok because her fans love her!

And back we go to a woman's character being that she acts in the interest of others. A 1D girl who gets things wrong so that male fans can feel protective. And back we go to offensive stereotyping of a character that disabled children had empathised with, minute though her role had been. Let's call her Derpy, a pejorative for weird-looking people that these kids have to deal with being called.

I don't mean to be too hard on you here because I know you've found a community here that you really like and enjoy. I''m not deliberately trying to ruin it for you, but you seem to have a lot of misconceptions about this, and in this case they're dangerous ones that end up with people getting hurt. Please, recognise that this community has flaws like any other.

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bronies community is pretty awful when you actually look at the majority of it

gelatop you're really beginning to sound like brony is your new religion here

this really is starting to look like an internet argument on religion

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Jun 9 12 9:41 AM

Like I said, this thread is escalating into a full scale flame war. The Brony group is one of the more sensitive topics on the Internet. If this argument continues someone may end up getting hurt. Indirectly or directly. This thread should be closed. ASAP.

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I remember one time Neil Cicierega made an entirely reasonable post about how bronies "claiming" MLP was kind of gross and weird and a bunch of reddit bronies said they lost all respect for him and I've never laughed harder in my life.

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BonzaiRob wrote:
ZeroChill: I know what you mean, but from the outside, the bad minority looks like a majority. Especially on the internet, where children are going to be searching for pictures of their favourite characters, and instead coming upon adult art and blogs. It's not cool.

Gelatop: Let's go over this statement:

Gelatop wrote:
]I NEVER loved Derpy because I wanted to demean retarded people. I LITERALLY NEVER even though of it until the controversy came up. I just considered her a clumsy character. I LOVE DERPY.

1: The phrase "retarded people" is offensive. The actual mental condition of retardation is rare, and the word gets applied to all sorts of people because they look weird. The only thing wrong with Ditzy is wall/lazy eye. That doesn't make her stupid, or mentally disabled. It's a small physical defect and people automatically assume it's a mental one. Can you see how that would be offensive?
2: The word "derp", is equivalent. It has its lighthearted meaning, but at its core, it is used to demean people who look weird, and the lazy assumption is that people who look like that are stupid. The lighthearted meaning to it is even MORE poisonous here, because people with no malice will use it, but it still hurts someone who has had it used as the pejorative. Compare: Calling things "gay" when you mean they're bad.
3: That you insist on calling her Derpy when the name has been retracted by the show's creators shows that your loyalties lie with bronies, not with the show's creators. That you've never thought of it being offensive before the controversy isn't good either, all it shows is that you've been inconsiderate. Also, that you're still calling her Derpy AFTER being aware of the controversy shows you didn't care all that much.

Gelatop wrote:
The Save Derpy movement (including artwork and videos) convinced me the fandom doesn't want to keep her because they want to make fun of a group of people. These people love the character. She isn't a joke. [...] They're offended by getting rid of her because they feel that would be saying that being imperfect is offensive.

1: The show creators never wanted to get rid of her, just change the name back to Ditzy and change how Rainbow Dash shouted at her. "Ugh, you never get anything right." What a fantastic message to send to disabled children!
2: It's not their decision to make and they have no right to be offended. You know who DOES have a right to be offended? All the people who complained after the episode because of how badly they got it wrong.

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]If this doesn't prove these characters love Derpy and don't mean to put her down, but want to support her to the end, then I don't know what will.

BonzaiRob wrote:
...demanding Ditzy Doo have screen time and be renamed "Derpy", and be someone who gets things wrong, but aww, how sweet, she tried her best right? But it's ok because her fans love her!

And back we go to a woman's character being that she acts in the interest of others. A 1D girl who gets things wrong so that male fans can feel protective. And back we go to offensive stereotyping of a character that disabled children had empathised with, minute though her role had been. Let's call her Derpy, a pejorative for weird-looking people that these kids have to deal with being called.

I don't mean to be too hard on you here because I know you've found a community here that you really like and enjoy. I''m not deliberately trying to ruin it for you, but you seem to have a lot of misconceptions about this, and in this case they're dangerous ones that end up with people getting hurt. Please, recognise that this community has flaws like any other.

I used bad wording when I said "retarded people." I meant people who are perceived as different due to mental or physical defects (Yes I know they're not the same). I don't see how the physical defect is offensive. A lot of people with lazy eye haven't either. I have looked up on this. Derp is basically the new "Oof!" or "Doh!" It is meant more for dumb moments one has. Unlike Gay, there is no clear definition for the word. Memebase (probably the number one source on memes) said the same. Who cares if I'm loyal with Bronies? Using a name? Really? Does that really make me such a bad person? I've found lots of people who hadn't considered that Derpy was disabled beforehand, even prominent Bronies. Saying Derpy after the controvy doesn't show that I don't care that I'm hurting others. That's not how it is. It shows that I don't think Derp is an offensive term.

They also fixed her eyes in the scene. That's not Derpy anymore. Now it's just a ditzy blonde, which I think is more offensive because it is playing off of stereotypes of blondes. The Derpy of before wasn't stereotypical because they made her an extension of the character the fandom created. They let the fandom participate in creating the show. We know it's not our decision to make but that doesn't mean we have to be content with everything that happens. We have the right to be offended if they are censoring our character because someone thinks showing a character with lazy eye is offensive. There were WAY more people offended about the Derpy changes than people offended about original Derpy. Like tens of thousands more.

I've done research on this. I debated this with my friends for fun. How do I have misconceptions? Did you see my links? These people FREAKING LOVE Derpy. They are heart-broken about this. I see why you think what you do, but I've been digging into this fandom to see what they thought about this. I've been researching this. Save Derpy was NOT about reviving an offensive joke. It was about bringing back a beloved character. I FREAKING LOVE Derpy. I find her ability to overcome her shortcomings to be endearing. I root for her all the time. Maybe the ones putting her down are the ones who want her gone. Derpy does not equal Ditzy. (I'm sorry if I sound aggressive, btw. I'm not trying to be. I may be passionate, but just know I'm just trying to argue my side, and I have nothing against you. K?

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Gelatop wrote:
Saying Derpy after the controvy doesn't show that I don't care that I'm hurting others. That's not how it is. It shows that I don't think Derp is an offensive term.

No.. that's exactly my point. You don't get to decide if "derp" is offensive. Of course it's not offensive to you, it doesn't affect you. This is called "privilege". You're being very, very inconsiderate, and saying you love a character doesn't take that away.

You know why Membase said it wasn't offensive? Memebase is run by people like yourself who either aren't aware or don't care that "derp" hurts people. They will fight to keep it there and pretend it's not offensive because it's run and edited by people who love memes. To them, that trumps any offense.

Nobody, nobody, thinks a character with a lazy eye is offensive. This is called a straw-man argument: you've made a straw-man who you say thinks it's offensive, and now you're blaming it for things. No-one cares about the lazy eye. What people care about is the name "derp", see above, and partially that Rainbow Dash called her stupid, as I mentioned before. That's the issue here. And this is why people don't like bronies: you have decided that it's not offensive because who would get offended over this? You haven't actually taken in my post in a meaningful way. You've dismissed it straight off because doing otherwise would make you question describing yourself as a brony, which you really don't want to do.

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There were WAY more people offended about the Derpy changes than people offended about original Derpy. Like tens of thousands more.

There are way more white people than black people in america. During the civil rights movement, I wonder how many more white americans there were who thought black people shouldn't be able to vote, than there were black people? Or for a more modern example, how many more people think that gay people shouldn't be able to get married, compared to gay people whose lives are ruined because they can't be together?
This isn't a good argument.

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I debated this with my friends for fun. How do I have misconceptions?

How many of your friends are disabled? How many are made fun of for the way they look with the word "derp"? If the answer is not more than zero, yes, you have misconceptions. Imagine three people: two of them are so full of food that thinking about eating any more makes them feel ill. One of them has not eaten for a day. If it comes to a vote, they will vote not to eat, and the hungry guy will stay hungry.

I don't have anything against you either, really I don't, but I'm worried that you're so caught up in being a brony that you're losing sight of how these things all hurt other people.

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I just took issue with this really. Memebase is a terrible source for actual accurate information on memes, the same way a corporate website would be the worst on the history of beatnik underground poetry. I'd go to OhInternet personally, even though what makes a meme is totally different now.

I honestly don't see how you can present derpy's character getting changed as a legitimate thing to get offended about, like you said people were. If tens of thousands of people were getting offended about changes to a cartoon character in a little girl's show being reverted back to what the writers wanted, then I think those tens of thousands of people might just be taking cartoons too seriously.

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Gelatop wrote:
Saying Derpy after the controvy doesn't show that I don't care that I'm hurting others. That's not how it is. It shows that I don't think Derp is an offensive term.

No.. that's exactly my point. You don't get to decide if "derp" is offensive. Of course it's not offensive to you, it doesn't affect you. This is called "privilege". You're being very, very inconsiderate, and saying you love a character doesn't take that away.

You know why Membase said it wasn't offensive? Memebase is run by people like yourself who either aren't aware or don't care that "derp" hurts people. They will fight to keep it there and pretend it's not offensive because it's run and edited by people who love memes. To them, that trumps any offense.

Nobody, nobody, thinks a character with a lazy eye is offensive. This is called a straw-man argument: you've made a straw-man who you say thinks it's offensive, and now you're blaming it for things. No-one cares about the lazy eye. What people care about is the name "derp", see above, and partially that Rainbow Dash called her stupid, as I mentioned before. That's the issue here. And this is why people don't like bronies: you have decided that it's not offensive because who would get offended over this? You haven't actually taken in my post in a meaningful way. You've dismissed it straight off because doing otherwise would make you question describing yourself as a brony, which you really don't want to do.

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There were WAY more people offended about the Derpy changes than people offended about original Derpy. Like tens of thousands more.

There are way more white people than black people in america. During the civil rights movement, I wonder how many more white americans there were who thought black people shouldn't be able to vote, than there were black people? Or for a more modern example, how many more people think that gay people shouldn't be able to get married, compared to gay people whose lives are ruined because they can't be together?
This isn't a good argument.

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I debated this with my friends for fun. How do I have misconceptions?

How many of your friends are disabled? How many are made fun of for the way they look with the word "derp"? If the answer is not more than zero, yes, you have misconceptions. Imagine three people: two of them are so full of food that thinking about eating any more makes them feel ill. One of them has not eaten for a day. If it comes to a vote, they will vote not to eat, and the hungry guy will stay hungry.

I don't have anything against you either, really I don't, but I'm worried that you're so caught up in being a brony that you're losing sight of how these things all hurt other people.

Then why do you get to decide if "derp" is offensive? The majority of people don't use "derp" to offend people. We shouldn't be so focused on not trying to offend people with eye problems that joking about a moment where someone's eyes went funny is considered offensive. MLP's characters' eyes go funny ALL THE TIME, and people make jokes about it, not to demean people, but because it looks funny. Many people with eye problems have said they want Derpy to remain the same. They are the ones who should be offended by this, by your logic, yet they are not. I'm not being inconsiderate when I've seen people with eye problems who aren't offended by "derp" and who love Derpy. Memebase may be a bad source, but here's the thing. DERP HAS NO UNIVERSAL DEFINITION. It should be defined by how it is used. And how it is used is a sound that one makes when they goof up, or when someone's eyes go funny. People do think Derpy's lazy eye is offensive, though. It's a minority, but an extremely vocal one. That's how the change got started. Rainbow Dash never called Derpy stupid. Ever. She just didn't want her messing things up because she's clumsy, like the Derpy the fandom made. The term "derp," like I just said, is not used to offend people. People misinterpret it, and then blame others for hurting their feelings though they never intended to. I see why people get offended over this. I just think those people getting offended are taking things the wrong way. I'm not dismissing it. I see the reasons behind it. I'm arguing that this misinterpretation might lead to changes to Derpy that would damage her character. Not dismissing it won't make me question describing myself as a Brony. I describe myself as a Brony and I see the reasons behind both sides of this. You might not think so, but I am. I just don't think people use the term "derp" to intentionally hurt feelings most of the time, which would define the meaning of "derp."

You are comparing race issues leading to injustices and inequality to an argument on the portrayal of a cartoon character. I will passionately argue this topic, but I think that's not a good comparison. With that case, there's no question that blacks were damaged by racism and inequality. With this, there's a discussion over the definition of an Internet term, one which most people don't even use to offend, leading to some people feeling offended.

We debated both sides of the case, is what I mean. We looked through reasons and evidence for both sides, to see what both sides thought. I technically have a mental disability. Not eye problems, but I guess you could say I'm disabled (but very high-functioning). One of my best friends has a relative with down syndrome and she is a huge Derpy fan. I may not know anyone with eye problems, but I've looked up what those who do have said.

But the thing is I don't think that many people with eye problems are being hurt. One again, I've found examples of plenty of people with eye problems and disabilities rooting for Derpy, offended that people want to get rid of her because they find her offensive, when they are the ones who should have the right to say whether they are offended or not! I am not being biased. I have been trying to find what Bronies who DO have disabilities and eye problems have said. I can bring it up if you want.

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Gelatop wrote:
Then why do you get to decide if "derp" is offensive?

I don't, I never did. Did you miss the part where there was a huge controversy over this? It wasn't just me writing letters.

The issue is not intentionally hurting feelings. The issue is feelings being hurt, and people (like yourself!) carrying on using words that cause hurt, because they're "not offensive". It's not your place to say it's not offensive. Come on, just think for a second about all the words different races have for one another...

I used race inequalities as comparisons because I hoped it would help you understand about the majority hurting the few. Apparently not? The fact that this is an issue about cartoon characters disqualifies comparisons to a more universal struggle?

So you and your friends debated both sides of the case whit your what, combined nearly 40 years of experience of the world and the people in it and the horrible ways we treat one another, and decided that this was fine? Everyone stop being hurt because a couple of teenagers have decided that this isn't offensive. Again, it's not your place to say it's not offensive.

You can show me examples of people with eye problems or mental or physical problems not finding "derp" offensive. I don't know if you realise this, but, that doesn't erase all the other people who DO find it offensive. There are women out there who wish with every fibre of their being, and actively campaign for, a return to the 40s lifestyle of women staying at home doing housework all day. That doesn't mean women don't deserve equal chances in life, or that it's ok to be sexist towards women, and it doesn't mean that the struggles of the ones who want equal rights don't count. A bunch of men saying they don't find "get back to the kitchen" jokes offensive does not make those jokes ok. A bunch of women not finding it offensive is, to be honest, a whole lot less likely, but it STILL does not make those jokes ok. Nothing makes it ok.

Please stop telling me that because they're not meant to offend, they're not offensive.

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Then why do you get to decide if "derp" is offensive?

I don't, I never did. Did you miss the part where there was a huge controversy over this? It wasn't just me writing letters.

The issue is not intentionally hurting feelings. The issue is feelings being hurt, and people (like yourself!) carrying on using words that cause hurt, because they're "not offensive". It's not your place to say it's not offensive. Come on, just think for a second about all the words different races have for one another...

I used race inequalities as comparisons because I hoped it would help you understand about the majority hurting the few. Apparently not? The fact that this is an issue about cartoon characters disqualifies comparisons to a more universal struggle?

So you and your friends debated both sides of the case whit your what, combined nearly 40 years of experience of the world and the people in it and the horrible ways we treat one another, and decided that this was fine? Everyone stop being hurt because a couple of teenagers have decided that this isn't offensive. Again, it's not your place to say it's not offensive.

You can show me examples of people with eye problems or mental or physical problems not finding "derp" offensive. I don't know if you realise this, but, that doesn't erase all the other people who DO find it offensive. There are women out there who wish with every fibre of their being, and actively campaign for, a return to the 40s lifestyle of women staying at home doing housework all day. That doesn't mean women don't deserve equal chances in life, or that it's ok to be sexist towards women, and it doesn't mean that the struggles of the ones who want equal rights don't count. A bunch of men saying they don't find "get back to the kitchen" jokes offensive does not make those jokes ok. A bunch of women not finding it offensive is, to be honest, a whole lot less likely, but it STILL does not make those jokes ok. Nothing makes it ok.

Please stop telling me that because they're not meant to offend, they're not offensive.

Do you have proof that the majority of people with disabilities/eye problems are hurt by this? I can bring up proof of my examples of people who aren't hurt by this if you want. Here's one: http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/02/20/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-everything-is-alright/ It's a memebase post from someone who has lazy eye and loves Derpy. I can bring up more if you need it.

I understand the majority hurting the few. I'm just saying there are A LOT of different factors. Racism was about one group being killed and damaged by another and inequality in the social, political, and economical spheres. This is about one group feeling offended by a term being used in a cartoon character's name, that there isn't even a clear definition on, and it wasn't even intentional. I saw what you were saying, but we can only take that analogy so far.

When I brought up our debates, I didn't mean to say we were the final judges on what is offensive. Not at all. Don't imply that. What I meant when I said that is that we looked at what OTHER people said about this and how OTHER people feel about this. Like the example I gave before (the Bronies with eye problems). We didn't solve this. What I'm trying to say is we did research and debated reasoning. Don't assume we were trying to be the final judge on things. Why would you think that?

But "get back to the kitchen" jokes are obviously offensive. They're made that way. Derpy is just a character who has eye problems and she's clumsy. And we love her for it. Save Derpy should prove that.

I'm not saying some people aren't offended by this. But some people are offended for the wrong reasons. Maybe those people just don't understand Derpy and what she stands for. Sometimes people get offended when they see one thing, and then immediately in their minds they add something else there that they thought was there (or being implied), but it wasn't at all. This is just my PERSONAL opinion, but maybe some people got offended by something that was only there in their minds. Maybe people need to stop putting things in the show that weren't there to begin with. The same with the term "derp." Maybe we shouldn't make something (intended to be harmless) offensive. You can debate me, but I think a lot of this is putting things in that weren't there to begin with.

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I like this comment someone made on the post: "It’s not the ‘mentally-handicaped’ ones that complain. It’s the people who think that they should be ‘The Good Guy’ and try to defend them from something not ‘Bad’. Even though they don’t need to be defended. I’m a guy with Achrondroplasia, aka ‘Dwarfgrowth’ and people who know me kid with me but never too hard. I can always laugh with it. But then a random person who walks by ruins it by insulting the ‘joker’ and defending me from a joke that was actually funny."

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ZeroChill wrote:
Like I said, this thread is escalating into a full scale flame war. The Brony group is one of the more sensitive topics on the Internet. If this argument continues someone may end up getting hurt. Indirectly or directly. This thread should be closed. ASAP.

All in favor?

Really... fan-made episodes? Characters? Anything to make this thread worth not-closing?
(Getting a MLP point through may be a valid and relevant issue, but ask yourselves this: Do people really wanna find this when they click on this topic? There are better places for this debate to take place)

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