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Vagrant Lustoid

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Jun 26 10 4:43 PM

Why not something simple like Ironori?

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TheNoob

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Jun 26 10 4:47 PM

It sounds like irony.

Vagrant Lustoid

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Jun 26 10 5:17 PM

It shouldn't, unless you're pronouncing Iron wrong. Irony has an EYE-RON-EE sound, where Iron should be pronounced 'aɪɚn'. There's almost no pronunciation of the r in a proper pronunciation of Iron. It sounds a lot more like ion actually. To me it the name sounds more like Iron Ore-y.

Darkwolf Cor

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Jun 28 10 1:42 PM

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Girafarig is Normal/Psychic because its body is clearly divided into a Psychic half (the front, disciplined, intelligent) and a Normal half (the back, impulsive, instinct-driven). You could almost say it's a Pokémon representation of the ego and the id.

But anyway. Why exactly does Girafarig evolve into a part Steel-type? It's never had anything to do with metal. It's very easy to give Steel-type evolutions to any old Pokémon with the slap-a-Metal-Coat-on-it philosophy, but it's not necessarily sensible.

soble92

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Jun 28 10 4:46 PM

Let me rebuttal.

This evolution is to develop Girafarig's tail. The only way that I can think of to make it an original idea is to make the tail bigger. I visualized this tail functioning as a wrecking ball, which is why it evolves when learning iron tail. But ALSO, that makes it too easy to evolve since Iron Tail is a TM move. As such, I then started to think about the rest. I visualized it having armor, something to protect it. So instead of the metal coat over-usage, I am using rhydon's held item, the protector.

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Jun 28 10 6:40 PM

Ye. Why are you using the Protector? You just said that it's Rhydon's. It needs to stay that way. Especially since it doesn't have a Protector on it.

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Vagrant Lustoid

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Jun 28 10 7:27 PM

Personally, I hate the idea of evolution items for single pokemon unless there is absolutely no way it could be used by any other Pokemon. Porygon's items are a good example, as it's the only Data pokemon. But protector is just "stiff and heavy" and protective, any Pokemon could use it. Share it around, I say. Protector works fine if it's an armored tail. Just as well as Metal Coat, which I reckon is perhaps overused in custom Pokemon.

Last Edited By: Vagrant Lustoid Jun 28 10 7:39 PM. Edited 1 times.

FoxOfWar

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Jun 29 10 3:22 AM

I agree with what Darkwolf Cor said - Girafarig is more than just the "head & tail pair" - it also represents those two sides, and I would strongly advice that if you evolve Girafarig, you either keep the types as they are (Normal/Psychic) or do something that actually justifies it losing the Psychic type. The Psychic type is a representative of good mental capabilities, and suddenly losing it on evolution seems extremely counterproductive to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any (official, at least) pokemon loses a Psychic typing upon evolution.

As it stands, I don't much like this idea. Also of course because I'm starting to get the feeling that we're up our necks in "steel-type via random metal on body upon evolution" -sort of evolutions soon...

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soble92

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Jun 29 10 3:42 AM

@Flarsable- Like VL said, it is a good idea to spread item usage. So I decided to be a little original with a protector.

@VL- I agree. Metal Coat is WAY too common

@ FoxOfWar- I actually see it as reversed. The giraffe head to me represent normal, which is the "normal" part of the pokemon, while the tail represents psychic. Also, I never said it would quit learning psychic moves.

I forgot to mention something. I am also trying to invent a new type combination, the Normal/Steel combination, while also involving a pokemon that has no evolutions or pre-evolutions officially and of the PF. Girafarig seemed to be a good option.

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Darkwolf Cor

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Jun 29 10 6:34 AM

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Girafarig's HeartGold Dex data says: "Its tail has a small brain of its own. Beware! If you get close, it may react to your scent by biting."

I'm fairly sure that the giraffe half is the Psychic one, considering that it has the bigger brain, and it always seems to be the one using all the Psychic attacks (in the anime, as well). The back half's head just sits there, unmoving, unless something comes close enough for it to bite. I'd say it's definitely the Normal half of the Pokémon; I don't have concrete evidence of it, but Girafarig's behavior seems to point to that conclusion.

So your typing for this evolution doesn't make sense, because you've covered the Normal half (the back) in Steel coating. In any case it would be Psychic/Steel (or Steel/Psychic), but not Normal/Steel.

I understand that you wanted to go ahead with this evolution because you saw the shape of a wrecking ball in Girafarig's tail, which, by itself, is a fun idea. But I'm not sure if this evolution is very coherent with Girafarig's design. Also, it's never been said that the Protector item has a metallic quality; if it did, Rhyperior would probably be a part-Steel-type. As a result, evolving Girafarig into this with a Protector may not make much sense.

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soble92

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Jun 29 10 6:48 AM

Alright Darkwolf, you won me over. Ironori shall be Steel/Psychic type.

But let's do some arguing about the Protector issue.

Protector data: A protective item of some sort. It is extremely stiff and heavy. It is loved by a certain Pokémon.

It is true that it doesn't directly state steel qualities, but it DOES relate. Extremely stiff and heavy- 2 notable qualities of steel.

Also, Nintendo and the PF have used items that sometimes change types and sometimes don't.

A MAJOR example of this is the Moon Stone.

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Jun 29 10 2:46 PM

So you're saying Rhyperior is a Steel type? It has the extremely stiff and heavy substance all over its body. It doens't relate. The Moon Stone is a STONE. They all do that. The Sun Stone even makes the only example of Pokemon losing type with evolution. The Water, Thunder, & Fire Stones all mark three of the four examples of a complete type change during evolution, to Eevee. The Protector, not a stone. So you can't really add the Stone-like properties to it.

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Vagrant Lustoid

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Jun 29 10 3:15 PM

I think Protector + Iron Tail can cover Steel-type. Have it level up holding Protector whilst knowing Iron Tail. Then you have armor + metal. Mostly, I just want to avoid Metal Coat because the list of Metal Coat evolutions is long enough already:
Steelix
Scizor
Knightmare
Swiron
Armatundra
Dracrunch
Maidron
Armordillo
Drek
Loadelle
Xiphence
Gligon

Cacapulse

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Jun 29 10 11:48 PM

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Or we could just leave Girafarig alone and convert this into a standalone. I'm getting the vibe that this is all a forced conecpt, due to the mention of the Normal/Steel combination. All of this talk about wrecking balls and armor is a little too confusing for my tastes.

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Jun 30 10 10:36 AM

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And this may not be a strong argument but I fear of the whole superego/id nature that Girafarig represents will be lost on just how weird its tail looks.
Oh well... I don´t want to carry this too far either; Pokémon is meant to be fun I guess. And when you said wrecking ball I was rather thinking of a Mario series´s Chain chomp which I think #FA120 Snackle represents more than well.

Flarsable

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Jun 30 10 10:42 AM

Girafarig's tail represented a Chain Chomp ni a way already. But I agree with Cacapulse to make this a standalone. I think we should also change the animal a bit, because we don't want too many giraffes. Maybe its close relative, the okapi?

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soble92

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Jun 30 10 1:27 PM

Alright. We will make it a separate pokemon.

But if we are doing that, I want it to be normal/steel.

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Darkwolf Cor

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Jun 30 10 1:47 PM

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Well, in the rules Pory mentions--and I agree--that if a Pokémon is Normal/Anything else (other than Flying), there has to be a good reason. You'll find that almost all Normal-type Pokémon either don't have a second type or are Normal/Flying, with two exceptions: Girafarig (Normal/Psychic) and Bibarel (Normal/Water). In the case of Girafarig, its body is clearly divided into a Normal half and a Psychic half, and in the case of Bibarel, it's a decidedly un-special (Normal) Pokémon that has adapted to live and thrive in an aquatic environment. Or at least that's how I reason it.

Not saying that Normal/Steel isn't acceptable, but there would definitely have to be a good reason.

Last Edited By: Darkwolf Cor Jun 30 10 3:59 PM. Edited 1 times.

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