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elementalpenguin

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Jun 30 10 9:08 PM

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Or... it stays pure Electric.
GASP
I think Huge Power works for Tesforce. As for Tesillator... How about Motor Drive?

RPG
Crys: Chrysice lvl 10, female
Powder Snow
Supersonic

Harden

Sargon: Nidoran Male, lvl 8
Leer
Peck

PARTNERS: Xer0 (Romulus)

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Vagrant Lustoid

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Jun 30 10 10:10 PM

Hrm, here are my thoughts. Leave Tesforce as straight Electric, like EP said. Give it Static/Huge Power as its abilities, replace Cross Chop with Close Combat and ExtremeSpeed with Ice Punch for superior type coverage. For Tescilator, give it Static and either Motor Drive/Speed Boost/Quick Feet as its power, swap over the HP and Speed stats from 100/80 to 80/100 respectively, swap out Sandstorm with ExtremeSpeed/QuantumSpeed, Swords Dance with Overclock and Zeus Thunder with Vacuum Wave for superior type coverage. That way we have one focused on hitting hard and heavy, and another focused on special attacking and speed attacks. Additionally, if I had the choice of Egg Moves I'd say Baton Pass for Tescilator and Shadow Punch for Tesforce, but they might make good Start moves instead.

elementalpenguin

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Jun 30 10 10:24 PM

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Unfortunately, you don't have choices for egg moves. I agree with EVERYTHING you said there though, and although "superior type coverage" isn't the best reason, those do work better. I enjoy this immensely. However... I think only one ability for each of them, getting rid of Static - the other two (I also think Motor Drive) to me should be standalones, as they seem sorta... if you have the ability to be boosted by electricity, wouldn't all of the species have that?

RPG
Crys: Chrysice lvl 10, female
Powder Snow
Supersonic

Harden

Sargon: Nidoran Male, lvl 8
Leer
Peck

PARTNERS: Xer0 (Romulus)

FoxOfWar

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Jul 1 10 8:02 AM

I agree with most of the above; Motor Drive sounds good, and yea, it should be standalone.

Tesforce is more complicated, as plethora of abilities can fit him. Personally I'd use probably Intimidate, but mostly because I just like the fluff of that ability (and yea, the actual effect too...). As far as type goes, I'm kind of attracted to the idea of Electric/Fighting, not sure why... but I'm intrigued. But pure Electric is certainly better than Electric/Steel (which, if you use my design, is rather out anyway).

However, with moves I kind of disagree - make move lists more about "what fits the pokemon" than "what would be good in a competitive battle environment." Does Ice Punch, for example, make any sense on an Electric type, good as the move might be on him? Not much, does it?

I'll have a stab at some movelists, right here, using the original post as base and changing things as I personally would see them:

Tescoil:
Start: Quick Attack
5: Lightninggun
8: Lock-On
11: Shock Wave
15: Baton Pass
19: Charge Beam
23: Shocktherapy
27: Iron Head
31: Static Field
36: Taser Claw
42: Superconduct
50: Thunder

Tesmitta:
Basic: Agility (upon evolving, regardless of level)
Basic: Quick Attack, Lightninggun, Lock-On, Shock Wave, Baton Pass, Charge Beam, Shocktherapy
28: Iron Head
33: Static Field
39: Taser Claw
39: Discharge
42: Superconduct
47: PowerTransmit
55: Thunderbolt

Tescilator:
Basic: Tremor, Static Shock ("remember"-sort of moves, don't gain them on evolving)
Basic: all moves Tesmitta can get via normal leveling before lvl 40, obviously (see note below)
43: Zeus Thunder
47: Sandstorm
50: Desert Sands
58: Earth Power
64: Superconduct
70: Blitz-Charge
76: Worldshaker

Tesforce:
Basic: Piledriver, Volt Tackle* ("remember"-sort of moves, don't gain them on evolving)
Basic: all moves Tesmitta can get via normal leveling before lvl 40, obviously (see note below)
43: Zeus Thunder
47: Force Field
50: Adrenaline
58: Demolisher
64: Superconduct
70: Close Combat
76: Teleforce

*Or rather, a power 120/acc100 Physical Electric type move that is akin to Brave Bird, Double-Edge and the like, that is not "annoying-mascot exclusive". Go on, tell me it wouldn't fit. I dare you.

So, what did I change?
- A lot of moves made more "in sync" between the forms, and removed a fair few from the "Start" moves (I prefer the term "Basic")
- Moved Powertransmit to learned at lvl 47, meaning a slight "sacrifice" in keeping him Tesmitta if you want the move - either case, what you'd miss out on is Zeus Thunder, which I moved to same level on both last forms
- Sync'ed the last forms moves between so that the levels match, and they learn similar moves at similar levels - removed moves from them because frankly, even my version is rather crowded in there
- Tesforce's movepool is based on the assumption that he's staying as a Fighting-type; if not, skip Demolisher, Piledriver and/or Close Combat from there
- Yes, Tesmitta is the only one of these to learn Thunderbolt naturally, also Tescoil is only one to learn Thunder naturally; like with a lot of other lines, especially those that change type in their evolutions, first form does learn things that last forms cannot, often rather good moves - to get them, hold off evolution

- Basic moves on Tescilator and Tesforce; do they have Tesmitta's pre-level-40 moves in their "remember" movepools? Or we can take the Tyrogue example and only have them "remember" their own movepools?

What do you think?

When life gives you lemons, you steal the sugar and put it on salt shakers.

Right?

Last Edited By: FoxOfWar Jul 1 10 8:05 AM. Edited 1 times.

Vagrant Lustoid

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Jul 4 10 3:26 PM

I like your suggestions, for the most part. I mainly just think they should have more Basic/Start moves in general, as it seems most end-stage pokemon do so. And this is without the ability to learn the moves of their previous forms again. That said, I think a new status start move for Tescoil is needed, like Growl or Tail Whip. Other than that Tescoil is fine. My only suggestion for Tesmitta would be Night Slash and/or Bullet Punch for a Basic move, since even at that stage it appears to have hooves sharp enough to hit a pretty mean slash. Alternatively, if Night Slash isn't your cup of tea, Payback works just as well, if not better. For Tescilator, I'm sort of surprised to see Earthquake not in the list. I say swap out Tremor with Earthquake, and add in ExtremeSpeed as a final Basic move, because I do want to emphasise Tescilator's speed a bit more, and the only other Normal attack any of them learn is Quick Attack way back when. Finally, for Tesforce I would really like to see Blaze Kick left in as a Basic Move, it has such powerful legs that I'd really like a kick move and we've seen with Electivire & Ampharos learning Fire Punch as Basic Moves that there's some precedent. The Ice move can go though. Also, I would like to include Throttle Kick as well, since I think it's a good move, I'd consider dropping either Adrenaline or Piledriver for it. Both are very good moves though, so this is optional.

As for the abilities, the reason I'm not a fan of Motor Drive is that as Electric pokemon I find it silly that they need to be hit by other Electric attacks to gain speed, since a. they can produce electricity on their own, and b. nobody's ever going to attack them with an Electric move anyway, especially with its Ground immunity to the type anyway. I'd really recommend Speed Boost in its place, since that's an ability that will actually get used, and I can see this thing building up speed as it goes. Perhaps Tesforce can have Intimidate/Huge Power and Tescilator can have Interrupt/Speed Boost:

INTERRUPT
Ability
This Pokemon enters combat with a flurry of noise that breaks the concentration of the foe.
Lower's the foe's Special Attack 1 Level upon entering combat.

elementalpenguin

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Jul 4 10 8:52 PM

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Hm. I'm fine with Interrupt - it makes sense.
But let me go on a tangent for one sec - the point of Motor Drive is to switch in and get the speed boost. Like with Flash Fire. It's an extremely good ability.
Anyways, I like Interrupt.

RPG
Crys: Chrysice lvl 10, female
Powder Snow
Supersonic

Harden

Sargon: Nidoran Male, lvl 8
Leer
Peck

PARTNERS: Xer0 (Romulus)

Vagrant Lustoid

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Jul 5 10 3:37 AM

Motor Drive is great for swapping in on Electric attacks, but has no benefit whatsoever over Speed Boost because swapping in with either results in an Electric hit on an Immune and then boosting Speed 1 stage. The benefit of Speed Boost is that it continues to build afterwards with another +1 each turn, but if everyone really likes Motor Drive then we'll go with that. I just feel that Huge Power needs an equally impressive counterpart, and I feel that Speed Boost hits that role better than Motor Drive as it's not so limited in its uses.

Last Edited By: Vagrant Lustoid Jul 5 10 3:44 AM. Edited 1 times.

FoxOfWar

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Jul 5 10 7:54 AM

I'm fine with those changes on the movelist.

As for Motor Drive, I'm not sure. I think it would fit better than Speed Boost since to me Tescilator doesn't feel particularly speedy - I could be wrong though.

Interrupt is not half bad either.

When life gives you lemons, you steal the sugar and put it on salt shakers.

Right?

Miravistel

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Jul 7 10 6:32 AM

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I notice that the only official pokemon that have Speed Boost are flying bugs, two of which are dragonflies (and with two sets of wings, those are speedy little buggers!) and one of which is a ninja. Therefore, all of them are well-equipped for moving fast constantly. I would suggest not using Speed Boost because although it's a fast pokemon, none of the other fast land-bound pokemon have that an ability.

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elementalpenguin

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Jul 7 10 1:18 PM

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I was about to point that out as well. Thanks, Mira. ^^; But yes, Speed Boost is increasing each turn, which makes sense for the flying bugs as they pick up speed, but not Tesilator.

RPG
Crys: Chrysice lvl 10, female
Powder Snow
Supersonic

Harden

Sargon: Nidoran Male, lvl 8
Leer
Peck

PARTNERS: Xer0 (Romulus)

Vagrant Lustoid

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Jul 7 10 8:48 PM

Motor Drive it is then. So we have the family's names, looks, movesets, abilities, etc. I think the only thing left is to develop 8 Dex Entries for them. How exciting ^^

Cacapulse

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Jul 14 10 2:04 AM

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I insist we change the movelists to something like these:
Tescoil
-- Tackle
-- Leer
-- ThunderShock
07 Charge
12 Quick Attack
15 LightningGun
18 Swift
23 Shock Wave
26 PowerTransmit
29 Discharge
34 Agility
37 Charge Beam
40 Static Field
45 Thunderbolt

Tesmitta
-- Tackle
-- Leer
-- ThunderShock
-- Charge
07 Charge
12 Quick Attack
15 LightningGun
18 Swift
23 Shock Wave
27 PowerTransmit
31 Discharge
37 Agility
41 Siphon
45 Static Field
51 Static Shock

Tescilator
-- Earth Power
-- Superconduct
-- Tackle
-- Leer
-- ThunderShock
-- Charge
07 Charge
12 Quick Attack
15 LightningGun
18 Stomp
23 Tectonics
27 PowerTransmit
31 Discharge
37 Agility
40 Earthquake
42 Siphon
47 Static Field
54 Static Shock
59 WorldShaker

Tesforce
-- Iron Head
-- Superconduct
-- Tackle
-- Leer
-- ThunderShock
-- Charge
07 Charge
12 Quick Attack
15 LightningGun
18 Stomp
23 Mirror Shot
27 PowerTransmit
31 Discharge
37 Agility
40 Lock On
40 Zap Cannon
42 Siphon
47 Static Field
54 Static Shock
59 Teleforce

IMO, these are much more consistent and up to standard. Although many of the moves in the old movelists were removed, most were added in the spirit of competitive battling anyway, and that isn't the first priority.
Also, I suggest we change Tesforce to either pure Electric or Electric/Steel. I would also like to re-suggest the changes to WorldShaker and Teleforce concerning their move classification (Physical/Special); they seem to have been overlooked as an option.

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AlexFantastico

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Jul 29 10 9:08 PM

Can't believe how much effort I put into drawing these things only to have FoW come along and change the whole idea -_-

http://hypotheticus.yuku.com/

SoR

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Jul 29 10 9:24 PM

... what? All FoW did was draw some pictures of the idea that were different from your pictures. There are some design changes but that is because you took the description in different directions as all artists do. You made some wonderful art that helped people see where this idea was going. I think you should be proud of what you did. But don't get mad at FoW just because he made pictures that weren't exact clones of your pictures.

AlexFantastico

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Jul 29 10 9:42 PM

Yeah, I know I shouldn't be bitter about it.
But I am, and I just wanted to say so, rather than keep it to myself and stay angry about it. I really felt it was perfect as it was. And it made me upset enough that I couldn't bear to go on PokeFactory for quite a long time. Until today, really. Not sure why I'm saying it, just want to share how I feel about it I guess.

http://hypotheticus.yuku.com/

FoxOfWar

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Jul 30 10 2:08 AM

...now I'm confused. I drew concept art, just like you did. I did my art based on the text descriptions and my own imagination. Invariably, because I drew them on my own style and based on my own ideas, it ended up different. *shrugs* Vagrant Lustoid can use whichever concept art as he wants - or none of them. I drew them because I liked the concept and though it'd be a nice lil' challenge for myself and fun to draw, with not exactly much further thought about it.

I have no intention to belittle you, or your art - you draw well. /salute

When life gives you lemons, you steal the sugar and put it on salt shakers.

Right?

Last Edited By: FoxOfWar Jul 30 10 2:37 AM. Edited 1 times.

AlexFantastico

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Jul 30 10 4:26 AM

Thanks

I like your art too, though it could REALLY use some colour

Sorry for being petty, but I really needed to get it off my chest! :P

http://hypotheticus.yuku.com/

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