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Tozokian

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Mar 24 10 7:19 PM

I really like your idea. If you want to make the grass type more distinguishable maybe you could add more hay or leaves sticking out of various places. Off the top of my head Im thinking bullet seed would be appropriate as well as thief.

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Coolsteph

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Mar 24 10 7:28 PM

(Thank you, Tozokian.) I doubt that I will actually involve hay in their designs, and additional leaves only seem befitting on "Skitter Sparrow" 's design, "Bad Seed" and "Roughhouser" would not look as well as they do with extra leaves. Bullet Seed would be a good idea...if they possessed more distinguishable mouths. (they do have mouths, but they are intentionally ambiguous in appearance. "Bad Seed" and "Skitter Sparrow" have mouths more like beaks.) Still, I can imagine "Roughouser" 's palm markings glowing and green, with also-glowing Bullet Seeds being shot out of them in an anime-like fashion.

Gelatop

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Mar 24 10 7:46 PM

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I think you should combine "Bad Seed" and "Skitter Sparrow." They are just too similar-looking to me.

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Mar 24 10 9:48 PM

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I just don;t understand why it turns into a bird and then back into a plant monster. If it becomes a bird at one point, it should stay a bird.
That said, I really love the BAd Seed's concept art and they look great - I totally associate the cupule with the pageboy hat, as you said.

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Mar 25 10 5:02 AM

Nice concept, but the sparrow dosesn't really fit. I suggest a small "Roughhouser".

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Coolsteph

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Mar 25 10 6:18 AM

I meant the line to be similar to the Shiftry line---the beginner goes off in one direction, the second evolution is similar in appearance to the first evolution, and looks logical, the third deviates from what you would expect the second one to evolve into, but still retains a familar feature (the long nose). I actually think that "Roughhouser" looks more like "Skitter Sparrow" than the relation of Nuzleaf to Shiftry, because the only similarities in physical appearance between Nuzleaf and Shiftry is the nose, but "Roughouser" retains the "hat" (minus the patterning), the "trenchcoat" and the "void face". "Skitter Sparrow" is not actually a sparrow or a bird, and although it does incorporate some aspects of sparrows into its design, its design is an amalgam.

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Mar 25 10 9:32 AM

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I'm sorry, but, unless fixed, Skitter Sparrow has to go.

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sovereignofsilence667

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Mar 25 10 1:08 PM

Let's give them names, too.

"Bad Seed": Miseed (MISdeed + sEED); Seedoubt (SEED + dOUBT); Trickseed (TRICKSy + sEED)
"Skitter Sparrow": Skittarrow (SKITTer + spARROW)
"Roughouser": "Shadoak", Ninjash (NINJa + ASH); Willojimbo (WILLOw + yoJIMBO (japanese for "bodyguard" or "mercenary"))

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Mar 25 10 1:32 PM

Why did you have it turn into a Bird at stage two? I can't understand any logic in that as it would lose that power later on.

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Mar 25 10 1:51 PM

(I suppose it was unrealistic to design my suggestions like "real Nintendo Pokémon" and not expect that there would be questions...) It is not a bird, it only resembles a bird. It cannot fly, if that is what you mean by 'lose that power later on'. It can hop and skip like sparrows, but it cannot fly, and as Shadoak (I can do with that name---thank you, Sovereign.) can climb, it does not lose abilities at all. I suppose there should be more discussion on their designs and purposes as to their designs before moves are given?

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Shining ShinE

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Mar 25 10 1:58 PM

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May I suggest something? The upper part of the middle stage's leaf looks like a mouth to me. What if we were to look at the pokémon from the front instead of from the back? Its pose could then be that it's leaning in the wind. From the front, it would then look more like the basic form, while from the side or back, it gains its sparrow-like appearance, to fool its prey.
Maybe it could have some small arms, to differentiate it somewhat more from the basic form (if that's workable without ruining its appearance)?

That said, I agree with you that I don't get what's wrong with the middle stage. Looking like a sparrow does not make it a bird, or give it any bird-like powers. It just has that look to fool prey. (Besides, the final evo's hands look a bit like wings ^^) Though I can't speak for the entire Staff, I personally like it and do think the evolution line makes sense this way. I also love the pageboy hat, coats and the other clothes you incorporated so naturally! ^-^

Coolsteph

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Mar 25 10 2:14 PM

Thank you, ShinE. Although....mostly it eats seeds (stolen seeds) and miscellaneous grain-based food taken from park picnics when no humans were watching, it does not "fool its prey". From the front, it does look mostly like its pre-evolution, although it has legs. ("Bad Seed" is like Baltoy--only one foot/no feet and a stub in substitute). It could have stubby arms through, I suppose. No digits, through---being digitless and usually held to its sides, they would look like small wings. As for why it has a sparrow-like appearance, that would be convergent to a sparrow due to somewhat similar attributes (hopping and skipping on trees, etc.)

Shining ShinE

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Mar 25 10 2:26 PM

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That all sounds good to me. And I also got the reason why it looks like a sparrow, a reason which I like. Stubby arms would be nice ^-^

One thing that I'd like clarified, though: is the middle stage's head looking sideways or not? I'm wondering where the beak is positioned on its face. Is it its 'nose'? :P

Coolsteph

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Mar 25 10 2:38 PM

The middle stage's head is looking sideways, yes. Front on, its....well, it is best phrased as a 'beak' (as in, beak-like mouth) looks fairly like an actual bird's beak, and Shadoak has no discernible mouth at all (although it does indeed have one)

Shining ShinE

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Mar 25 10 2:44 PM

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Ah, thanks for clarifying; I was indeed looking at it the right way.
I was guessing the beak was 'fake', in other words, that there was a normal mouth below it, but I'll leave that up to you.

Rahjet

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Mar 25 10 3:39 PM

well I agree with everyone else about "Skitter Sparrow" it just looks too similar to the first stage and doesnt make enough sense to stay unless changed. Another thought, based on this concept art I definitely think they should learn Faint Attack.

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Mar 25 10 3:44 PM

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Actually, ShinE has swayed me. I never thought they were too similar, and now that the whole bird thing has been explained, I agree they're fine as they are.
One reason people may be saying they're too similar is the height in the concept art, while in reality, the sparrow is twice the seed's height.
Sinc eI had no complaints before, I love this idea now!

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Coolsteph

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Mar 25 10 3:47 PM

Faint Attack would work well. Thank you, Rahjet.

Rahjet

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Mar 25 10 3:54 PM

no problem coolsteph it just kinda jumped out at me

Coolsteph

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Mar 27 10 6:40 AM

(I am somewhat discouraged by the fact no one has made any further posts here....)

Any ideas for a moveset? We know the movesets will probably have Faint Attack, Trick, Rapid Spin, Agility, and Haymaker/Hammer Arm.

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