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Flarsable

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Jun 5 08 4:08 PM

No, Extremespeed is just realy fast motion, and Teleport is using psychic power to teleport. Rapid Spin is spinning, Recycle is I don't know what but it's not going back in time, Reflect & Cosmic Power are using psychic powers to create a barrier and something else, Perish Song makes the foe think sad thoughts untill they can't handle it(I think), Double team is making illusions of yourself, & Trick Room, the user is altering the dimension to change the speed of Pokemon, not turning time backwards.
And for the Fossils, they aren't going to be Time type, because they were resurrected, they did not travel through time to get here.

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Darjulok

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Jun 5 08 7:52 PM

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The justification of "it uses psychic powers to.." is too general, and it doesn't explain a lot. This is MY opinion, but I think Teleport would be Time without a doubt as it is an alteration of time and space. Also I think moves that are related to space (Reflect, Spacial Rend, etc.) could be changed to Time type too, just for expanding this type.

And I know Recycle description never mentions back to time but, how a Pokemon could recover an eaten berry? So, going back to time makes sense to me, and that would make Recycle a Time type move. And in the case of Trick Room, if it makes slower Pokemon go faster and vice-versa, then it must be Time type as it alters speed.

I didn't say fossils should be Time, as the are already Rock. I meant ancient Pokemon like Relicanth and Claydol, which have lived for centuries and even millenniums in the Pokemon world.

Flarsable

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Jun 5 08 8:01 PM

They have the same story as the fossils. And Teleport is traveling from one place to another instantly, this is not done like Bonzai flies at the speed of light. And Reflect is creating a barrier telepathically(is it just me or has my spelling increased because I can spell long words like telepathically correctly, those one letter errors in short words is messing up in typing(which I don't see myself doing, but...)). And Recycle, how do you save tres after they've been chopped without planting one? You don't go back in time & bring the tree back with you and root it. You recycle paper. well Recycle isn't like that, either. I think the pokemon uses the item enough that its effect works, then saves the rest. (If you use Recyclwe, that is.)

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Poryhedron

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Jun 6 08 8:22 AM

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Bear in mind that there are only two families that get Recycle, and one of them is Porygon. If any pokémon could recycle a used berry, Porygon would be it. Or maybe Magnemite, but anyway. The other family is Mr. Mime, and their both psychics and just plain wierd in general, so who knows?

I strongly disagree with the idea that anything related to Space should be considered Time, because Time and Space are two completely different things. That's why there's a Legendary Pokémon with power over Time (Dialga), and then a different Legendary Pokémon with power over Space (Palkia). Claiming Time and Space are the same is like claiming fire and water are the same; you have to get pretty deep into philosophy to justify it.

Incidentally, Reflect's not telepathy. It's telekinesis.

Antarctros

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Jun 6 08 9:09 AM

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Physics says that time and space are intrinsically bound, though. The point is not to confuse time and space with their combined form, spacetime.

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BonzaiRob

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Jun 6 08 11:21 AM

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Well yes, and you can set water on fire if you get it hot enough. In fact, in order to make water, you need to set fire th a hydrogen and oxygen mix in order to fuse them together. Pokemon physics don't go that deep (electric-types don't even require circuits!).

Just to make it clear, we will NOT be accepting any more new types. 20 balances everything nicely. However, you can carry on discussing them if you like

Flarsable

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Jun 6 08 7:09 PM

I was thinking Telekinesis, but isn't that the power to move & bend things with your mind, like Sabrina?

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Skwurilulu

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Jun 7 08 12:02 AM

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Yes, and telepathy is communication with the mind.

Flarsable

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Jun 7 08 7:25 AM

well, telepathy does sound kind of like telephone, so you got a point.

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Jun 7 08 11:00 AM

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Telepathy is strictly about transfer of information, while telekinesis deals with objects, so telekinesis is a much closer fit. Perhaps the pokémon is actually using telekinesis to push air molecules together to form a denser field of air that cushions blows?

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Jun 7 08 6:03 PM

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Well yes, and you can set water on fire if you get it hot enough. In fact, in order to make water, you need to set fire th a hydrogen and oxygen mix in order to fuse them together. Pokemon physics don't go that deep.

... yet, if more pokémon were to come they´ll need another bunch of legendaries so they´ll eventually come up with something deeper. Well maybe not specific things such as Gibbs entropy but maybe chaos and order.
Oh yes... I can picture those versions now.

sovereignofsilence667

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Jun 7 08 7:48 PM

Poryhedron wrote:
Telepathy is strictly about transfer of information, while telekinesis deals with objects, so telekinesis is a much closer fit. Perhaps the pokémon is actually using telekinesis to push air molecules together to form a denser field of air that cushions blows?

Yes, but how does that work for Sp. Atk moves? Fire is really hot no matter how dense the air around it gets. Unless the air gets SO dense it smothers the fire... Anyway, my point still stands... I think.

My Team:

Exo (Xoskilitn)
Blaze
Male
Fire
Lv. 13
Tech: Scratch, Leer, Ember, Poison Sting

Raven (Nevermore)
Keen Eye
Female
Dark/ Flying
Lv. 8
Tech: Tackle, Growl, Leer, Pursuit

Molly (Nidoran (F))
Poison Point
Poison
Lv. 7
Tech: Growl, Scratch, Tail Whip

Jack (Plumpkin [SHINY])
Chlorophyll
Male
Grass
Lv. 5
Tech: Tackle, Leer, Tickle

Vayne (Nutreed)
Overgrow
Male
Grass
Level 5
Attacks: Life Pulse, Defense Curl

Alecto (Tiquail)
Hustle
Female
Normal/Flying
Level 5
Attacks: Tackle, Sand Attack

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Flarsable

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Jun 7 08 8:28 PM

Antarctros wrote:

Well yes, and you can set water on fire if you get it hot enough. In fact, in order to make water, you need to set fire th a hydrogen and oxygen mix in order to fuse them together. Pokemon physics don't go that deep.

No, you evaporate water if it's hot enough. To catch water on fire you got to ignite the oil, I think. I'm not sure. Let's just Dictionary it.

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Jun 8 08 12:10 AM

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Evaporated water is still water. Get THAT hot enough, it turns into plasma (superhot steam) which is more or less fire.

I admit I didn't look into this one as deeply (>.>), BUT, there's a freelance scientist with what is basically a giant microwave who managed to set saltwater on fire. I think they're still doing scientific trials of it but it looks like he found a new, clean energy supply. So long as it wasn't faked.

Flarsable

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Jun 8 08 9:07 AM

that could be from the salt & the papertowel.

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Poryhedron

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Jun 8 08 9:55 AM

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sovereignofsilence667 wrote:

Poryhedron wrote:
Telepathy is strictly about transfer of information, while telekinesis deals with objects, so telekinesis is a much closer fit. Perhaps the pokémon is actually using telekinesis to push air molecules together to form a denser field of air that cushions blows?
Yes, but how does that work for Sp. Atk moves? Fire is really no matter how dense the air around it gets. Unless the air gets SO dense it smothers the fire... Anyway, my point still stands... I think.

...It doesn't work for Sp.Atk moves. Remember, Reflect only halves damage from physical attacks. You've just proven that I could be right.

sovereignofsilence667

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Jun 8 08 10:52 AM

Poryhedron wrote:

sovereignofsilence667 wrote:

Poryhedron wrote:
Telepathy is strictly about transfer of information, while telekinesis deals with objects, so telekinesis is a much closer fit. Perhaps the pokémon is actually using telekinesis to push air molecules together to form a denser field of air that cushions blows?
Yes, but how does that work for Sp. Atk moves? Fire is really no matter how dense the air around it gets. Unless the air gets SO dense it smothers the fire... Anyway, my point still stands... I think.

...It doesn't work for Sp.Atk moves. Remember, Reflect only halves damage from physical attacks. You've just proven that I could be right.

Yes, but then how does Light Screen work? That was my question.

My Team:

Exo (Xoskilitn)
Blaze
Male
Fire
Lv. 13
Tech: Scratch, Leer, Ember, Poison Sting

Raven (Nevermore)
Keen Eye
Female
Dark/ Flying
Lv. 8
Tech: Tackle, Growl, Leer, Pursuit

Molly (Nidoran (F))
Poison Point
Poison
Lv. 7
Tech: Growl, Scratch, Tail Whip

Jack (Plumpkin [SHINY])
Chlorophyll
Male
Grass
Lv. 5
Tech: Tackle, Leer, Tickle

Vayne (Nutreed)
Overgrow
Male
Grass
Level 5
Attacks: Life Pulse, Defense Curl

Alecto (Tiquail)
Hustle
Female
Normal/Flying
Level 5
Attacks: Tackle, Sand Attack

Trapinch

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Jun 8 08 11:40 AM

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Let's just... let's drop the whole science thing. For god's sake we're pitting mice against ghosts why would science play any part in this

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sovereignofsilence667

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Jun 8 08 11:45 AM

Maybe the ghosts smell like cheese!

Sorry Trap, you just made it too easy.

Antarctros

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Jun 8 08 11:46 AM

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I agree with Trapinch. The rules of physics of this universe clearly do not apply to the pokémon world anyway. Light Screen is just a wall... of light, which in the aforementioned universe clearly can be manipulated that way. It is also worthy of mention that Light Screen is actually Light-type in PF's setting.

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