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elementalpenguin

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May 17 10 7:31 PM

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Sacred Fire is the user cloaking itself in flames and ramming the opponent. Check the animation.

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Flarsable

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May 17 10 7:38 PM

I did, and that's not what happens. Not even in the 3D games.

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Cacapulse

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May 17 10 7:43 PM

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I used to wonder why it was special physical too. Then I found out Ho-oh has a huge Attack stat. The wondering ceased.

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That was an odd error I overlooked.

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Last Edited By: Cacapulse May 17 10 9:10 PM. Edited 1 times.

elementalpenguin

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May 17 10 7:45 PM

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...You're right. Huh, they could have at least changed it. :/

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Flarsable

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May 29 10 3:18 PM

Exactly. it's animated like a special attack, the description gives no sign of any physical involvement, it was speciat before Generation IV, and Ho-oh's SP. Atk outpasses its regular Attack, so why did they make it Physical? I wonder if Nintendo has an official Complaint Department so I can ramble about Sacred Fire. Now, any PF OP moves?

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NARFNra

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May 29 10 6:04 PM

Flarsable wrote:
Exactly. it's animated like a special attack, the description gives no sign of any physical involvement, it was speciat before Generation IV, and Ho-oh's SP. Atk outpasses its regular Attack, so why did they make it Physical? I wonder if Nintendo has an official Complaint Department so I can ramble about Sacred Fire. Now, any PF OP moves?

I don't recall Ho-oh's Sp Attack being higher then it's Attack.

Ho-oh's base stats:
HP: 106
Atk: 130
Def: 90
SpAtk: 110
SpDef: 154
Spe: 90

So yeah.

But anyway, is it just me, or was Aero-Escape removed?

Also, I just checked all the Wind moves, and they all seem to be either normal power or UP'd, so it's all good.

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Last Edited By: NARFNra May 29 10 6:09 PM. Edited 1 times.

Miravistel

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May 29 10 6:36 PM

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The name of Aero-Escape was changed to Soar, since it was deemed a more appropriate name.

Flarsable

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May 29 10 8:18 PM

Wait, that was Sp. Defense. Reading error. But all of the other reasons still apply.

Are we just listing OP moves, or is there gonna be any effort to change them?

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NARFNra

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May 29 10 9:53 PM

Well, we don't have any control over it, we're just being us :P

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Poryhedron

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May 30 10 9:41 AM

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The staff is reviewing overpowered moves in the Staff Room and making changes here and there.

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NARFNra

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May 30 10 11:27 AM

Oh, thanks!

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elementalpenguin

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May 31 10 8:53 PM

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I am sure this will set many of the competitive battlers' hearts to rest. Many thanks.

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krlitoxs

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Jun 3 10 12:19 PM

Well, it's true that a lot of moves are really OP, but seeing as this is not a real game, and if I'm not mistaken it will never be, why don't see the moves, and the whole PF world in other persperctive?
Just adapt to the new metagame, as everybody does in competitive battles, maybe the OP moves can become the standard in a imaginary PF competitive environment.
Who used Scizor in D/P? And what happened when Platinum came out? Get what I mean? If the new moves are stronger than the old ones, use the new ones and the metagame will balance

NARFNra

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Jun 3 10 3:07 PM

All I'm saying is that Nintendo never introduced anything nearly as broken as some of these moves, and even the boosting items (DeepSeaTooth, Soul Dew) are either legendary exclusive, unevolved exclusive, or on something too pathetic to work normally.

Also, the other moves tend to work because they are counterable. Titillate is pretty much uncounterable, as Attract status never goes away, and Oblivious is still affected because it isn't gender based.

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krlitoxs

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Jun 3 10 3:43 PM

Nintendo never introduced a Magic, Light or Wind type and nobody complains. We have to live with he OP moves or redo them, wich in my opinion is a lot of pointless work and time.

elementalpenguin

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Jun 3 10 5:32 PM

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Well we're redoing them, and obviously it's not pointless if the staff are reviewing it. We have an RPG too, and although no one actually pays attention to what a move does there, it's still important.
Secondly, even in DP Scizor was a boss.
Thirdly, you're so wrong about people not complaining about the new types, and the reason a lot of people who don't complain don't complain is because the types are balanced.
And that's not how the metagame works. If something is too powerful, we ban it. Nintendo hasn't made any moves that are this OP yet, so they aren't banned, but something like Cackle is a guaranteed win strategy. EV trained Murraven with Cackle and Toxic, and boom, every thing that isn't Steel, Poison, or immune dies. Everything else can be Leech Seeded or Burned by a different pokemon, or even if you just had Abomasnow out. It's a guaranteed win on everything that isn't Clefable.
The reason these moves need to be fixed is because they break the metagame.

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Antarctros

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Jun 3 10 6:44 PM

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elementalpenguin wrote:
The reason these moves need to be fixed is because they break the metagame.

I think you're forgetting something here... the PF RPG doesn't have a metagame. That isn't applicable to our forum RPG in any way. If we were to make an actual PF game, then sure, balancing would be important, but not right now. Anyway, as Poryhedron said we're still depowering these moves. I don't think it's necessary myself, but out of respect for competitive battlers I'm willing to go ahead with it.

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Squirrelay

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Jun 3 10 7:07 PM

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I think competitive battling can ruin the spirit of a game and that goes for Pokemon too. However, while it isn't necessary (and it isn't), I think we at the Pokemon Factory strive for high-quality suggestions and that should go for moves as well, so I'm glad we are looking over old over-powered moves and "fixing" them.

NARFNra

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Jun 3 10 7:58 PM

I'm not going and saying "ALL OF YOU'RE MOVES ARE OP'D EVAL BAN TEm BLARG"

I'm going "Cool ideas, but a little on the strong side..."
And one reason elementalpenguin was saying the stuff about the metagame was that krlitoxs was attempting to defend the moves with things based off a metagame, so thus a rebuttal would have to be against the given reason.

Although, I think that an actual PF metagame at this time would revolve around fast taunters...

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elementalpenguin

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Jun 3 10 8:28 PM

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NARFNra wrote:
I'm going "Cool ideas, but a little on the strong side..."
And one reason elementalpenguin was saying the stuff about the metagame was that krlitoxs was attempting to defend the moves with things based off a metagame, so thus a rebuttal would have to be against the given reason.

Yeah, I wouldn't have mentioned it if it had not been brought up.

Squirrelay wrote:
I think we at the Pokemon Factory strive for high-quality suggestions and that should go for moves as well, so I'm glad we are looking over old over-powered moves and "fixing" them.

Yes, this is more what I was concentrating on, which I also think NARFNra was as well. We want to be as close to official quality as possible.

And no, depowering them is not necessary, but the reason we gave examples of how to depower them is so that it wouldn't be "a lot of pointless work and time," as kriltoxs said.

Lastly, I will not argue my point here since it is off-topic, but I would disagree with competitive battling ruining the spirit of a game.

Really, I wouldn't mind (and I don't think NARFNra would either) if theses weren't made more balanced, since it really has no impact. But I speak from personal experience when I say one of my friends has lost interest in PF because of those moves, because some aren't official quality.

I mean no disrespect when saying this, it's just my personal opinion.

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Sargon: Nidoran Male, lvl 8
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Peck

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